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Breeding Expectation Tables

 

Albino

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Cinnamon

 

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Dark-Eyed Clear

 

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Dominant Pied

 

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Fallow

 

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Lutino

 

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Opaline

 

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Recessive Pied

 

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Spangle

 

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Violet

 

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Greywings

 

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Clearbody

 

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Clearwing Matings and Expectations

 

The clearwing factor is only dominant to ordinary yellows or whites. The whitewing and yellow-wing can be reproduced by mating with any variety or colour which is split for white or yellow, but the proportion will be small. Some of the non-clearwing birds bred from this pairing will be split for clearwing and others for white and yellow.

 

It should be realised when mating your birds that the variety exists in two forms - purebreeding, carrying two factors (2-F) for clearwing and the other carrying one factor (1-F). It is unlikely that an individual is (2-F) unless it has come from (2-F) parents.

 

To determine if the bird is pure breeding it should be mated to a white or yellow. If only clearwings appear it is definitely (2-F), but all the youngsters from the pairing will be (1-F) and capable of reproducing white and yellow.

 

Recommended Pairings

Yellow-wing Light Green X Yellow-wing Dark Green ............. Retains size and improves body colour of Light Green

Yellow-wing Light Green/Blue X Whitewing Cobalt ................Improves size of Whitewings and retains depth of body colour

Yellow-wing Dark Green X Whitewing Skyblue ................... Improves body colour of Whitewings

Yellow-wing Olive Green X Whitewing Skyblue............... Produces 100% Type I Clearwings

Whitewing Skyblue X Whitewing Cobalt ........................ Retains size and improves body colour of Skyblue

Yellow-wing Light Green X Whitewing Mauve................. Produces 100% Type II Clearwings

 

The Type I and II birds bred from the above pairings will prove to be of immense value to you in reproducing Whitewing Cobalts and Violets with outstanding size and always providing the parents are of good quality, the exhibition qualities will be exceptional. The following suggested matings should bring about the desired effect.

 

Yellow-wing Dark Green/Blue (Type I) X Whitewing Cobalt

Yellow-wing Dark Green/Blue (Type II) X Whitewing Skyblue

 

An immediate improvement in size of the Whitewing Cobalts bred will be seen from these two matings.

 

Yellow-wing Dark Green/Blue (Type I) X Whitewing Violet

 

Providing the parents have reasonable wing colouring, some exceptional exhibition Whitewing Violets will be bred.

 

As a general rule, pair Whitewings X Yellow-wing and Light X Dark Factor. Not only will this enable you to breed both whitewing and yellow-wing, but also to reproduce birds in all colour shades, i.e. Light, Dark and Olive Green and Skyblue, Cobalt Mauve and Violet in the Blue Series.

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**Liv**    0

:D :anim_19: AWESOME!!!!!!!

 

*Deletes bookmark to external site*

 

We really need thoes! You have put so much work into them!! Well done :lol:

 

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JimmyBanks    0

Great Kaz... just a query with Lacewings do you follow Cinnamon or Ino breeding expectations?

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Great Kaz... just a query with Lacewings do you follow Cinnamon or Ino breeding expectations?

 

Are you going to breed your lacewings with normals, cinnamons, albinos, other lacewings or other varieties?

 

Cinnamon and Albino are both sex-linked recessive, the pattern of inheritance is the same.

Lacewings are purported to be the result of cinnamon and ino linkage. So lacewings are sex-linked recessive inheritance also.

However you can occasionally get plain inos and out of them if the cinnamon and ino unlink in the gametes of the parent lacewing.

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**KAZ**    0

Lacewing breeding

 

Lacewing Cock X Lacewing Hen............ 100% Lacewings

Lacewing Cock X Normal Hen .................. Normal/Lacewing Cocks & Lacewing Hens

Normal Cock X Lacewing Hen.............. Normal/Lacewing Cocks & Normal Hens

Lacewing Cock X Ino Hen .......................... Ino/Lacewing Cocks & Lacewing Hens

Ino Cock X Lacewing Hen........................... Ino/Lacewing Cocks & Ino Hens

Lacewing Cock X Cinnamon Hen............... Cinnamon/Lacewing Cocks & Lacewing Hens

Cinnamon Cock X Lacewing Hen .......... Cinnamon/Lacewing Cocks & Cinnamon Hens

Norm/ Lacewing Cock X Normal Hen.. Normal Cocks, Normal/Lacewing Cocks, Lacewing Hens & Normal Hens

Ino/Lacewing Cock X Cinnamon Hen.. Normal/Cinnamon/Ino Cocks, Cinnamon/Lacewing Cocks, Ino Hens & Lacewing Hens

 

To complete this series it is interesting to include the following:

 

Cinnamon Cock X Ino Hen ........... Normal/Cinnamon/Ino Cocks & Cinnamon Hens

Ino Cock X Cinnamon Hen ........................Normal/Cinnamon/Ino Cocks & Ino Hens

From the above breeding data it can easily be seen that the Lacewing mutation is a true mutation which is compatible to both Cinnamon and Ino and is in a way an in-between mutation. It is not really a Cinnamon or an Ino but combines features of both.

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JimmyBanks    0

Thanks for that, I knew it was kinda both but kinda neither so I just needed clarification. Much apprieciated...

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Pearce    0

Is their any expectation table for colours of birds? Eg skyblue paired with olive green.

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JimmyBanks    0

Hmmm... I'm not sure... I haven't seen one on here if there is... according to my knowledge, which is limited, I would say has 100% Dark Green split for Blue Type 1 (have no idea what blue type 1 is) -Thats from Budgerigars in Colour by A Rutgers page 211... :D

 

That also is if the Olive Green isn't split for blue...

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GenericBlue    0
Hmmm... I'm not sure... I haven't seen one on here if there is... according to my knowledge, which is limited, I would say has 100% Dark Green split for Blue Type 1 (have no idea what blue type 1 is) -Thats from Budgerigars in Colour by A Rutgers page 211... :P

 

That also is if the Olive Green isn't split for blue...

 

this is all so good i wonder though if i put a fellow cin wing cock with a yellow face type 2 ino ?????is that a bad thing and if not what is the like ly out come

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JimmyBanks    0

not at home, when I get home I'll look in my trusty little book :) (I'm not smart, I just cheat) :D

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Hmmm... I'm not sure... I haven't seen one on here if there is... according to my knowledge, which is limited, I would say has 100% Dark Green split for Blue Type 1 (have no idea what blue type 1 is) -Thats from Budgerigars in Colour by A Rutgers page 211... :)

 

That also is if the Olive Green isn't split for blue...

 

this is all so good i wonder though if i put a fellow cin wing cock with a yellow face type 2 ino ?????is that a bad thing and if not what is the like ly out come

 

;) He talks about this exact pairing...

pg 174 Budgerigars in colour

 

Fallows are, I think, rather fascinating birds to breed, and some quite intriguing combinations can be created with a little bit of ingenuity on the part of their breeders. By combining Fallow, Yellow (or white), and cinnamon, it is possible ro produce birds that have the appearance of being either Lutinos or Albinos as their eyes are red and their colour is a clear yellow or clear white throughout.... ....Of course, if the Yellow-Faced character is added to the 'synthetic' Albino, the yellowfaced cinnamon Fallow White is evolved.

 

I am guessing it would look something like a lacewing...

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RIPbudgies    0
Hmmm... I'm not sure... I haven't seen one on here if there is... according to my knowledge, which is limited, I would say has 100% Dark Green split for Blue Type 1 (have no idea what blue type 1 is) -Thats from Budgerigars in Colour by A Rutgers page 211... :)

 

That also is if the Olive Green isn't split for blue...

 

JimmyBanks you are correct. The Type I or Type II is relative to the dark factor in respect to where it was inherited from. If a Dark Green split for Blue inherited the dark factor gene from an Olive parent it will be it will be a Type I. If the Dark Green split for Blue inherited the dark factor from a Mauve parent it will be a Type II. I have an easy to follow article showing the different pairings of Lt, Dk, Olive Green, Sky, Cobalt and Mauve and how to work them out using Punnet Squares. I'll try to get it from the other computer and post it for you guys.

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JimmyBanks    0

okay... just a query... if I have a creamino and I pair it with a gene like lacewing or tcb would I get birds that are similar to the creamino's colouring? or wouldn't it show the yf gene?

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RIPbudgies    0
okay... just a query... if I have a creamino and I pair it with a gene like lacewing or tcb would I get birds that are similar to the creamino's colouring? or wouldn't it show the yf gene?

 

JB It would show if the YF if the birds are blue series.

 

I have a picture of a Creamface(sf) TCB Opaline which is featured on page 153 in Terry Martin's book A Guide To Colour Mutations & Genetics in Parrots

 

Here is a picture of a Goldenface(sf) Lacewing I bred some time ago

 

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JimmyBanks    0

I thought YF and goldenface was only in blue series birds??

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RIPbudgies    0
I thought YF and goldenface was only in blue series birds??

 

JB - YF can be in both Greens and Blues it is just not visual till on a Blue series bird. The Lacewing I have posted is a Blue series she was in fact a Sky Blue.

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Pearce    0

Hi

 

Currently, all I can do with these tables is find the expectation of a normal with the specific mutation, can I find out what I'd get off a spangle and a lutino? Albino and a opaline?

Is their a trick to this that I'm not seeing?

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JimmyBanks    0

Is the opaline a hen? and is the Spangle the cock? If so I would say that your outcomes would be the following:

 

Spangle Cock x Lutino Hen

 

25% normal cock

25% normal/ino cock

25% spangle hen

25% normal hen

 

This is not taking into account any genes that your ino is carrying, for example your hen could be masking opaline so then all opalines would be male... or it could be a pied ino... unless you know what its masking you could get any number of combinations...

 

Albino Cock x Opaline Hen

 

25% normal cocks/opaline

25% opaline cocks

25% Albino Hens

25% normal hens

 

again your ino could be masking opaline or something so the "normal" could turn out to be something else...

 

Genetics isn't my forte but I THINK i have given you the right percentages. There are a couple there that I'm not sure about I think there might be another outcome possible Neville will come along and blow my theories out of the water soon :D

 

I'm wondering if your lutino was masking spangle I think you could probably get DF spangles out of that pairing as well..

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Pearce    0

Thankyou very much Jimmy.

 

I was using those pairs as an example, I dont actually have any ino's. How did you get all that information from those tables?

I can only get answers to a mutation paired with a normal, not a mutation paired with another mutation.

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JimmyBanks    0

I've sat here trying to explain and I can't figure out the words to describe how I come to that conclusion... I'll go to bed and wake up in the morning and see if I can explain it better. SORRY!!

 

I know what I do, but when I try explaining it it doesn't make sense... that generally means I must be wrong in how I came to that conclusion.

 

With the ino, I look at what results I would get if I paired it ino to ino then I look at what I get if I breed ino to normal, and I try and find the middle ground of both of those... does that make sense?? Nope it doesn't...

 

I will try in the morning. Sorry again! I'm trying..

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GenericBlue    0

ps thanks jim for that info too late as i sold my ino hen lol lucky i got 3 more last month mabe have to try that pairing out

the yf2 fellow blue cin cock with a white ino hen ... sounds like i was on the right track

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ps thanks jim for that info too late as i sold my ino hen lol lucky i got 3 more last month mabe have to try that pairing out

the yf2 fellow blue cin cock with a white ino hen ... sounds like i was on the right track

 

Hey I found a chart in the FAQ's if you do a search for Recessive and Dominant Mating tables something should pop up, and it also has sex linked :huh:

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ps thanks jim for that info too late as i sold my ino hen lol lucky i got 3 more last month mabe have to try that pairing out

the yf2 fellow blue cin cock with a white ino hen ... sounds like i was on the right track

 

Hey I found a chart in the FAQ's if you do a search for Recessive and Dominant Mating tables something should pop up, and it also has sex linked :P

 

you are all going to laugh but

 

jb whats a faq ..... how do i get their :huh:

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