Karthik 0 Posted October 25, 2008 Member ID: 4,035 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/02/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 5, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hello Everyone, I have read few posts on the forums regarding cold egg and chicks. Could some one through more light on this to me,..... 1) actually what it is, 2) why and under what all conditions a chick/egg becomes cold state, 3) visually we can make out by seeing whether a egg/chik is cold, 4) any treatments to bring these cold chick/egg back to its normal state, 5) how to avoid, 6) whether is it with in our control or only with parent birds, and 7) can we take any precautionary measures to totally avoid this from happening in first place. Thanks for your reading and time. Sorry for asking too many questions as always I do :party0011: Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted October 25, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I have a question for you Karthik. Are you writing a book ? Or are you breeding budgies and just need to have all the facts ? Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted October 25, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) the good thing is that many of his questions really help us out with the FAQ's , but if you are writing a book make sure you give BBC and the members credit Edited October 25, 2008 by Elly Link to comment
Karthik 0 Posted October 29, 2008 Member ID: 4,035 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/02/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) I have a question for you Karthik. Are you writing a book ? Or are you breeding budgies and just need to have all the facts ? No Kaz and also I don't have plans to do so, but planning to make some personal notes for my future reference and also if it is worth then probably publish it as an article in our BBC FAQ section. But I don't think so I have an option for it since our FAQ Officer is already doing it. Here in my area we don't find any good knowledgeable breeders like over there, but I am really very happy to find this wonderful BBC forum with full of experienced helping members all the time. Actually I wish I should have been over your place. :yes: the good thing is that many of his questions really help us out with the FAQ's , but if you are writing a book make sure you give BBC and the members credit I am happy that atleast this way to very little extent I am helping BBC. Yes, absolutely credit goes to BBC, Moderators and Members, for whatever knowledge I have gained/gaining/going to gain in future. Okay coming back to my actual posted questions regarding cold egg and chick, could you people please help me with the answers. Edited October 29, 2008 by Karthik Link to comment
Neat 0 Posted October 29, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hello Everyone, I have read few posts on the forums regarding cold egg and chicks. Could some one through more light on this to me,..... 1) actually what it is, When they lose Body temp ..... 2) why and under what all conditions a chick/egg becomes cold state, When they aren't being warmed by either Hen or Brooder 3) visually we can make out by seeing whether a egg/chik is cold, Egg Not that I am aware of .... Baby Yes 4) any treatments to bring these cold chick/egg back to its normal state, Eggs have 30 min time frame roughly after that their chances of survial are grim ... Chick Yes Warmth ... 5) how to avoid, Make sure that the hen is a good sitter - No frights etc 6) whether is it with in our control or only with parent birds, and Depends if brooding ..YES Parent raising If you know what the signs are .... 7) can we take any precautionary measures to totally avoid this from happening in first place. NO WHAT YOU ARE DOING & YOUR BIRDS Thanks for your reading and time. Sorry for asking too many questions as always I do :party0011: Link to comment
Karthik 0 Posted October 30, 2008 Member ID: 4,035 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/02/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks Neat :fear 2) why and under what all conditions a chick/egg becomes cold state, When they aren't being warmed by either Hen or Brooder So more chances of cold chicks is seen when the clutch has only one chick and hen is not sitting on it for more than 30 minutes time. I think this shouldn't be a problem when clutch has more than one chick, since chicks stay together closely and so they can keep warmth together, right. 3) visually we can make out by seeing whether a egg/chik is cold, Egg Not that I am aware of .... Baby Yes Could you please tell me what is the visual symptoms of a cold chick. 4) any treatments to bring these cold chick/egg back to its normal state, Eggs have 30 min time frame roughly after that their chances of survial are grim ... Chick Yes Warmth ... So assume for some reason we have to separate the hen for 1 hour from eggs, so whether we can temporarily place a 40 watt house lamp/bulb on top of these eggs at little far away in order to maintain the warmth in eggs during absence of the hen for 1 hour. Also for cold chick, how long we need to provide warmth and any ideas on how to do it? Link to comment
jaznjj 0 Posted October 30, 2008 Member ID: 4,620 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 92 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 475 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/08/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 12, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks Neat :fear 2) why and under what all conditions a chick/egg becomes cold state, When they aren't being warmed by either Hen or Brooder So more chances of cold chicks is seen when the clutch has only one chick and hen is not sitting on it for more than 30 minutes time. I think this shouldn't be a problem when clutch has more than one chick, since chicks stay together closely and so they can keep warmth together, right. 3) visually we can make out by seeing whether a egg/chik is cold, Egg Not that I am aware of .... Baby Yes Could you please tell me what is the visual symptoms of a cold chick. 4) any treatments to bring these cold chick/egg back to its normal state, Eggs have 30 min time frame roughly after that their chances of survial are grim ... Chick Yes Warmth ... So assume for some reason we have to separate the hen for 1 hour from eggs, so whether we can temporarily place a 40 watt house lamp/bulb on top of these eggs at little far away in order to maintain the warmth in eggs during absence of the hen for 1 hour. Also for cold chick, how long we need to provide warmth and any ideas on how to do it? Hi, just a little more info. Over the years there have been times when I have discovered eggs and/or chicks cold and chicks apparently dead. I cup the egg or chick in my hands and breathe warm, moist air onto them. It is the most incredible experience when a "dead" chick comes back to life - not quite so obvious with an egg unless it is at the pipping stage and you can hear it. Sometimes the eggs/chicks are cold because parent bird has died, sometimes because they have been separated from the rest of the clutch. In the case of dead parent, foster the egg/chicks out elsewhere. If they have just been "mislaid" by the hen, put them back under her. I would not suggest a light bulb because that will dry out the egg; instead you could place the egg(s) wrapped lightly in cloth and placed in a container over a source of moist heat, such as hot water in a bowl (monitor temperature with thermometer). I also give a more generous time frame as (though I have no hard data to support it) I am certain I have restored eggs and chicks which have been cold for much longer intervals than 30 minutes. I believe another critical factor is when in the 18 days incubation the "cold" occurs. I believe that early after laying, and just before hatching they are more likely to survive. From experience, if fostering eggs out I will only move them in the first few days after laying, or when they are actually pipping. Movement in mid-incubation seems to be less successful - I am told it is because different hens incubate at slightly different temperatures. I feel this also has implications for the success or otherwise of warming up cold eggs. Hope this is helpful. Link to comment
Karthik 0 Posted November 2, 2008 Member ID: 4,035 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/02/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 Thanks Jaznjj for sharing this. Link to comment
splat 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Member ID: 3,340 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,891 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,770 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 17/04/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 19, 2014 Birthday: 13/05/1958 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Another reason for cold chicks which is the most common for me is that sometimes when the hen gets out of the nest the or a chick might be caught in her feathers so it will fall to the floor. This has happened to me heaps of time and in full winter too -2 Degrees well in the morning when I have gone out to check them and feed them I have found babies ice cold on the floor and they have been saved by blowing my warm breath on them and cup it in my hand. It is really amazing when you see them start to breath again and have a little kick and a little stretch Link to comment
Karthik 0 Posted November 13, 2008 Member ID: 4,035 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/02/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 Thanks Splat. Link to comment
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