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  1. I had an opaline like that some time ago (photo below), we actually thought might be a clearbody, since she was already older when I got her, very mottled and later on actually gained more colour again and the mottledless lessened. Altogether 3 cases of "badly coloured" opalines that I have seen. The link shows a green male and his sister a friend of mine had. Later on I saw a mottled budgie in a petshop too, but at that time I was wise enough not to mix it to a clearbody (easley) I hope the picture is not too big?? http://s256.photobuc...%3DPICT7547.jpg
  2. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    I was surprised to find the iris so early myself, I haven't noticed any on the other chicks though. This one really had the iris ring showing from under 30 days old, but even now it is hard to see unless the lighting is optimal. What comes to the aviary surroundings, I have the rest of the flock upstairs in a big cage, but free flying and they can well discuss with each other from downstairs through open staircase when ever they want. Other wise separated. So I guess, possibly, because I still don't quite believe it, but under the circumstances, when I've been told by experts - that he cannot be an australian dominant pied, that leaves me with only one option, which is the dutch pied. Still I wish the ceres on these chicks would end up blue and not pink, like the father has. But were it this way or that, the chicks are adorable and most of them have good new homes waiting already
  3. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    After several shots... The eldest chicks eye: And a slightly bigger picture here.
  4. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    I know that dutch pied is a form of the clearflight pied. It was all on this thread earlier on. I'd be happy, if you contacted either K Yorke or Inte Onsman what comes to your conclusions... really, this is just what they have told me and really, they know their genetics. I hope they don't mind me quoting on them in public And I didn't mean the basics genetics, but the genetics in the cellular level, that's what I haven't been studying. I do know how all is inherited etc. Well, but. I wish you wouldn't come and tell what Nieve is, when people who have bread dutch pieds and clearflights for many generations and who have bred all other possible mutations too, have told me about this birds mutation and that it is their opinion about it. You can say, that you don't believe it is a dutch pied, I'm having hard time believing it too (we don't even get normal looking clearflights here in Finland/Sweden), but you cannot say it for sure. This breeding, I hope, will tell the truth sooner or later, or if not this one, the next one then. And if you didn't read the whole Know Your Pieds article, I suggest you do it too, it's really good reading. Dutch pied is a variegated form of a clearflight, dutch comes originally from europe and other dominant pieds from australia. They got mixed later on and that's how pure dutch pieds are hard to come by nowadays. However, only dutch + rec. pied or clearflight + rec. pied can end up producing a DEC, so they do have something in common. Not everybody is convinced that they're actually the same mutation. Here's some more links on the dutch pied: http://www.euronet.nl/users/hnl/dutchpie.htm http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/specialist/pieds/tom.html http://www.bestofbreeds.net/al-nasser/article9.htm
  5. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    Oh, I wish you wouldn't bring the details up again I have BIG difficulties understanding the genetics on a higher lever, where you have to go deeper into the cells etc.. With which all this confusion could be explained properly. Anyway on some rare occasions a recessive + dominant pied can have ONE iris rings, but only that one. Never two, as the recessive pied can never haver iris rings. This I have been told by the author of this article, also, that the pink cere is just the pied marking (ie white) located on its cere, thus removing the colour from it, and this can be seen in pieds occasionally. So this is what I've been told about this bird, that he has all the hallmarks of a dutch pied, except for the pink cere. And here we are, waiting for the chicks to grow... And today, I looked very hard, in different lightings on the eldest chicks eyes (lucky me he's very curious) and he does really actually have a hint of iris ring already...!! I'm positively sure! Though I cannot be sure, that it will ever grow stronger.. But hoping for it. If RIP is still following this thread, maybe she could throw in some detailed knowledge in on the genetics, I know so little about...! And what comes to a double factor dominant pied, dominants don't ever have that grizzled type marking that recessive and dutch pieds show. And this too, I have only been told after asking questions about him, I really don't know much myself
  6. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    Here's the same picture bigger, where you can see the dad's iris rings. He has them in both eyes. I've actually consulted the head of MUTAVI research & advice group on this, never made the conslusion on the mutation myself - and yes - I still have my doubts! But I'm sure, that if he's got the recessive pied gene, which is likely, there's something else too. And at the moment he actually even has some blue on his cere, I guess the hormones are really running as they're stared to mate again (but not going to give them a chance for a second round) Those two chicks can actually be recessive pieds even if the father was a dutch pied, incase he carries the rec pied gene. But well, I'm waiting for the ceres to turn to blue or stay pink and then wait for the iris rings, if they're to show
  7. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    New pics now, as the chicks have all come out of the nest Eldest one with dad The cinnamon skyblue Cinnamon grey And the baby pied
  8. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    They're just getting lovelier day after day I named them too, here's Filip(pa) as the gender is not for sure... if anyone has any clue...? He's now 31 days old. He took a little flight today too, when photographying them Very curious little creatures already, it won't be much longer he's out of the nest by himself. Number two is Flii, now 29 days. Here's Fleia, 25 days. And finally Fokus 23 days old.
  9. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    Some fresh photos, no iris rings in these, but the eldest one has them coming, I do see them, actually! Here's still a link to a bigger picture, if someone else also can see the little brownish iris ring on the chick. But maybe you can see it only, when you hold the bird in your hand yourself. Grey dutch pied? (I'm still not convinced!) Has grey coming maybe half way up his chest, blotchy. Sky blue cinnamon opaline Grey cinnamon Grey pied
  10. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    You're probably right I just want it to have iris rings so much, so obviously I'm trying too hard to see them okay, but, we'll leave them poor babies developing iris rings in their right time, maybe the ceres instead will tell something earlier on.
  11. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    Fresh photos! Number one, now if you click on this, a bigger picture that is, can you (too?) see some irisrings developing already? At what time do they usually start developing them anyway? Number two, she's a cute little cinnamon girl, isn't she just! Number three, possibly grey, because I still can't see any blue anywhere, but she's cinnamon too. And finally four
  12. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    Numbers two and three are indeed cinnamons, I can see it well now. Well, at least it's a good thing they're not the pied ones, I didn't wish for any surprises on this clutch, but you can never know. The male chick in the previous clutch from the same cock (his only offspring this far) was so scarsely marked, that I couldn't ever really tell if he was a cinnamon or not, but now I think he was. His mother was also a cinnamon, but in this clutch there can luckily be only cinnamon females. The only thing not wanting to have cinnamons is that the hen carries greywing and I don't like mixing those two mutations. Now if one of those pieds ended up being female I'd keep that, to secure not to carry on the cinnamon gene, but with my luck both of them are boys... But that remains yet to be seen.
  13. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    A picture update! They all seem to be blue series, first one is a grey pied as I stated before. Second one is blue opaline but I think the colour is a little diluted, so maybe cinnamon. I wasn't sure about their eyes when just small babies, so I can't say. Third one is possibly also opaline, but the down I think is not as pure white, so not sure - she might be a cinnamon too. Fourth one is a pied developing white down, he had pure black eyes, so I don't think this one will end up being a cinnamonwing. In case someone wants to see bigger pics, I can link some. From left number one, three and two Number two Number three, cinnamon?? number three again and finally number four
  14. I had a litter last year with a sf violet pairing (cobalt and skyblue) and one of the chicks seemed to be a DF violet cobalt and one possibly a DF violet sky. The difference between the SF and DF cobalt violet though was very small, only the colour on the possible DF violet was deeper and smoother violet, in my opinion. Sadly the pics never tell the truth about violets, here are my birds: With flash from left a possible DF cobalt violet "Dolly", cobalt or SF violet sky "Deana", cobalt on the front "Ejala", possible DF violet sky "Elouera" and the mother SF violet cobalt "Polly" Without Link to a bigger picture with flash. So I can't really be of help The only way to really know about these violets is to breed with a non violet and see if all the chicks turn out to be violets.
  15. falki

    Dutch Pieds?

    No DEC's in this clutch then, too bad! The last one turns out to be a pied too, we'll see what kind, markings are scarce, the same type as the first chick has. Possibly due to that one day lack of proper feeding also pigment must have arrived a little late, I was actually already hoping for this one to be a DEC - that would have once and for all made it sure that the cock is a dutch pied - but, alas! Well, I'm sure the chicks will be pretty anyhow Now we'll just wait for them to grow and get some more feathers, or feathers to begin with in the first place.
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